tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post5485692300028958889..comments2024-03-18T18:17:34.333+01:00Comments on Theropoda: Una Soluzione Etica e Sostanziale all'Affare AjacingeniaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-88781161865153399552022-12-04T18:08:09.321+01:002022-12-04T18:08:09.321+01:00Such affairs in taxonomy are honestly ridiculous. ...Such affairs in taxonomy are honestly ridiculous. In this case, why should authors be forced to adopt Megapnosaurus, rather than waiting for Raath to publish his name, and use that? Just because Megapnosaurus was published before and thus had "priority"? Can't the supreme authority of nomenclature rule out what is correct in such cases, rather than shaking the shoulders and say &Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-18228229234793716742017-11-15T04:10:26.596+01:002017-11-15T04:10:26.596+01:00So, even Megapnosaurus is unethical. Good.
I feel ...So, even Megapnosaurus is unethical. Good.<br />I feel that case less problematic than the plagiarism, but this is just my subjective interpretation.Andrea Cauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10855060597677361866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-72681300049522863592017-11-15T03:35:24.286+01:002017-11-15T03:35:24.286+01:00The entomologists did play unethically. Even the ...The entomologists did play unethically. Even the ICZN code thinks so. (Appendix A: Code of Ethics: "A zoologist should not publish a new replacement name (a nomen novum) or other substitute name for a junior homonym when the author of the latter is alive"). <br />Raath was very much alive, and should have been given the opportunity to re-name Syntarsus. Instead, the entomologists Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837037454015036429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-37856458823564475792017-11-14T06:38:08.989+01:002017-11-14T06:38:08.989+01:00Similar story, but different ethical situation.
Th...Similar story, but different ethical situation.<br />The entomologists did not play unethically, they just named the taxon with a not that happy name. No particular ethical issue here. Megapnosaurus is "ugly" but is perfectly fine to use it.<br />The Ajacingenia affair is ethically much more problematic, because the author of that name plagiarized other's publication. This is my Andrea Cauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10855060597677361866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-38224302660948574072017-11-14T06:24:16.890+01:002017-11-14T06:24:16.890+01:00Your summary is spot-on correct. Some recent stud...Your summary is spot-on correct. Some recent studies have "bit the bullet" and used the name Megapnosaurus.<br /><br />Based on phylogenetic analysis, Coelophysis could conceivably include a number of other species currently given their own genus - such as C. bonoi_ (Lucianovenator) and C. praecisio (Lepidus), as well as C. rhodesiensis (Syntarsus/Megapnosaurus).<br /><br />"Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837037454015036429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-78382625710877995092017-11-14T06:15:51.797+01:002017-11-14T06:15:51.797+01:00I have doubts that hands are all that useful for o...I have doubts that hands are all that useful for oviraptorid relationships. It's not clear what the hands were used for (perhaps not much). Personally, I suspect that oviraptorosaur forelimbs were predominantly used for display (and maybe incubation); any grasping function was ancillary.<br /><br />When you say "some topologies (such as Fanti et al. 2012) also found Nemegtomaia to formTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837037454015036429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-83403943450533796782017-11-13T21:48:25.348+01:002017-11-13T21:48:25.348+01:00I know this would require that. In fact I said &qu...I know this would require that. In fact I said "some topologies", not referring to Funston et al's one (which derives from Lu et al.'s matrix). Nemegtomaia is possibly an oviraptorine, that depends on which body area is homoplastic and which is homologous towards ingeniines.<br />Whether "hands" are considered the most significant body part in order to map oviraptoridsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-35128085958241349742017-11-13T06:08:35.292+01:002017-11-13T06:08:35.292+01:00For Jianxisaurus to be put into Heyuannia (along w...For Jianxisaurus to be put into Heyuannia (along with Ajancingenia), this would require that the three taxa form a clade that excludes all other oviraptorids. The phylogeny of Funston et al. did not recover this relationship: Nemegtomaia is sitting between Jianxisaurus and Heyuannia+Ajancingenia. Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837037454015036429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-52718323126283093262017-11-13T06:05:45.780+01:002017-11-13T06:05:45.780+01:00For the Gorgosaurus libratus issue, I have one thi...For the Gorgosaurus libratus issue, I have one thing to add to Andrea's explanation. Phylogenetic context is important:<br />If a phylogeny recovers the two taxa Gorgosaurus libratus and Albertosaurus sarcophagus as paraphyletic relative to more derived tyrannosaurids (such as Tyrannosaurus), then it is appropriate to treat them as separate genera. Otherwise, Albertosaurus (if it contains Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17837037454015036429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-14544436694677618622017-11-12T21:22:08.915+01:002017-11-12T21:22:08.915+01:00If I recall right, this is kind of similar to what...If I recall right, this is kind of similar to what happened with "Syntarsus" rhodesiensis. "Syntarsus" was preoccupied by a beetle, so it was renamed by a bunch of entomologists who barely even bothered to check if the original describer was dead (they only asked a single person who didn't even know the author that well). It turns out he was not, and in fact he was in the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-59845724507874738682017-11-12T05:26:43.427+01:002017-11-12T05:26:43.427+01:00Esiste una specie di tyrannosauridae del Nord Amer...Esiste una specie di tyrannosauridae del Nord America, battezzata nel 1916 col nome Gorgosaurus libratus.<br />Esiste anche una specie di tyrannosauridae del Nord America, battezzata nel 1905 col nome Albertosaurus sarcophagus.<br />Secondo la maggioranza degli autori, le due specie sono strettamente imparentate. <br />In conseguenza di questa stretta parentela filogenetica, ci sono autori che Andrea Cauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10855060597677361866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-22182618918993921942017-11-12T02:22:54.554+01:002017-11-12T02:22:54.554+01:00Potresti spiegare brevemente la questione circa Go...Potresti spiegare brevemente la questione circa Gorgosaurus-Albertosaurus libratus? Grazie.Marconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-57952680386669009582017-11-11T18:22:57.306+01:002017-11-11T18:22:57.306+01:00I like this... I like this a lot.I like this... I like this a lot.David Marjanovićnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-17042651816193446662017-11-11T12:45:34.079+01:002017-11-11T12:45:34.079+01:00Sì, è possibile. Ma non corriamo troppo ora: la re...Sì, è possibile. Ma non corriamo troppo ora: la revisione era nata per risolvere Ajacingenia. Poi se qualcuno mette ordine negli oviraptorosauri asiatici si può partire con la revisione tassonomica.Andrea Cauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10855060597677361866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2156944512466583246.post-36320882521461466042017-11-11T12:27:15.871+01:002017-11-11T12:27:15.871+01:00La trovo una ottima soluzione anche perché oltre a...La trovo una ottima soluzione anche perché oltre a risolvere la questione "Ajancingenia" rende il genere Heyuannia più inclusivo e quindi più propriamente utilizzabile per il riferimento degli esemplari embrionali (Cheng et al. 2008, Wiemann et al. 2015). <br />Una domanda: alcune topologie riscontrano Jiangxisaurus più strettamente legato a H. huangi che non a H. yanshini. Le Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com